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Limit the dB Range for Third-Party Devices Using Symetrix System Control

Limiting a fader to a specific dB range is easy within the Composer environment, whether using a Symetrix T-Series touchscreen, ARC-Series remote, or W-series remote. Third-party control, however, can be a bit more difficult if the third party doesn’t have their own inherent way to accomplish this task. Thankfully, with a small bit of logic circuitry we can emulate this range control. In this example, we are trying to limit the control of this gain module’s fader.

  1. First, drag in a control fader from the Control Inputs folder in the toolkit.

     
  2. Then, drag in a scaler from the control processes folder. Finally, drag in a one output remote control number module from the control outputs folder.

     
  3. Open each module, including the gain, and set the windows to be able to view all.

     
  4. In the one output remote control module, choose and enter an available remote control number. Then assign that same control number to the actual fader needing to be controlled.

     
  5. Now right-click on the logic fader and set it up to remote control, choosing another available remote control number. Note the chosen control number cannot be the same as the gain fader.

     
  6. We can’t see logic activity live while offline. If we push online we will see as we move the control fader from zero to 100% the gain fader moves as well. The point is to limit the effective movement of the gain fader in relation to the full scale movement of the logic fader.

     
  7. We can allow the control fader to fully scale on the scaler’s input. But if we adjust the output to a desired degree, we can limit the movement of the gain fader. In this case we’ll set the low output to 50% and the high output to 85.7%. This will give us a range of 0 to -30 dB. The scaler out values can be adjusted to match your system requirements

     

The control fader is what would be set up for the end user to control in the programming. It in turn controls the gain fader where the actual audio is passing through. Be aware that the representation will be in percentage, not dB.

While the dB level box from the gain module can be set up to remote control, the third-party controller should be consulted about how it will represent this value.

How to Limit Fader Range for Third-party Control

Limiting a fader to a specific dB range is easy within the Composer environment, whether using a Symetrix T-Series touchscreen, ARC series remote, or W-series remote. Third-party control, however, can be a bit more difficult-if the third party doesn’t have their own inherent way to accomplish this task.

Thankfully, with a small bit of logic circuitry we can emulate this range control. In this example, we are trying to limit the control of a gain module’s fader.

First, drag in a control fader from the Control Inputs folder in the toolkit. Then, drag in a scaler from the control processes folder. Finally, drag in a one output remote control number module from the control outputs folder.

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Open each module, including the gain, and set the windows to be able to view all.

In the one output remote control module, choose and enter an available remote control number. Then assign that same control number to the actual fader needing to be controlled.

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Note the control number output and the gain module fader are the same control number.

Now right-click on the logic fader and set it up to remote control, choosing another available remote control number. Note the chosen control number cannot be the same as the gain fader.

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Note the control fader has a different remote control number assignment than the gain module fader.

We can’t see logic activity live while offline. If we push online we will see as we move the control fader from zero to 100% the gain fader moves as well. The point is to limit the effective movement of the gain fader in relation to the full scale movement of the logic fader.

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Note when the control fader is at 0% the gain fader is also at the lowest position, “off”.

We can allow the control fader to fully scale on the scaler’s input. But if we adjust the output to a desired degree, we can limit the movement of the gain fader.

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In this case we’ll set the low output to 50% and the high output to 85.7%. This will give us a range of 0 to negative 30 dB.

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The scaler output values can be adjusted to match requirements of dB range(s).

The control fader is what would be set up for the end user to control in the programming. It in turn controls the gain fader where the actual audio is passing through. Be aware that the representation will be in percentage, not dB.

While the dB level box from the gain module can be set up to remote control for push value, the third-party controller should be consulted about how it will represent this value.

W-Series Remote Encoder Button Modes Explained

This article explains the differences between the selectable modes for the encoder, encoder button, and individual buttons for W-Series wall remotes.

Where do I find the different encoder button modes for my W-Series remote?

The available encoder button modes for each W-Series remote are found by right clicking the device in Site View, selecting “Unit Properties…”, and selecting “Edit Remote Settings…”.

Unit properties 2
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Encoder button mode 2

Important: Not all encoder button modes are available on all W-Series remote models. This will be further explained below.

Breakdown of Encoder Button Modes

Encoder Button Menu: Single Encoder Menu

The “Single Encoder Menu” mode is the simplest of all the modes. It allows for control of a single menu with a turn of the encoder dial and a single button with a press of the encoder button.

Compatible models: W1, W3, W4

Encoder Button Menu: ‘Select and Set’ Encoder Menu Using Individual Buttons

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The “‘Select and Set’ Encoder Menu Using Individual Buttons” mode allows for control of up to 4 menus with W3, and up to 8 menus with W4, by pressing a push-button switch to select a menu, then turning the encoder dial to adjust the value of the selected menu. The encoder button can also be used to control a single button in the design.

Compatible models: W3, W4

Encoder Menu Select

Single encoder menu 1

The “Encoder Menu Select” mode allows the user to cycle through up to 8 menus by pressing the encoder button. The value of the selected menu is then adjusted by rotating the encoder dial. This mode allows for control of multiple menus with W1. It also frees up the push-button switches on W3 and W4 to be used for other functions, as demonstrated in the above example.

Compatible models: W1, W3, W4

Note: None of the Encoder Button modes apply to W2 since it does not have an encoder.

How To Set Minimum and Maximum Gain on W Series Remote

Unlike ARC Series remotes, W Series remotes do not have a built-in method for setting upper and lower boundaries for fader control. Fortunately, there is a way to do this in Composer using Control Screens.

1. Right click the desired fader and select “Copy to control screen”. Create a new control screen if necessary:

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2. Go to Tools > Control Screen Manager:

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3. Highlight the control screen created in the first step and select “View & Close”:

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4. The fader in question will appear. Left click it to select it:

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5. On the right side of the screen under “Properties”, locate “Control Range & Taper”:

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6. Under “Minimum” and “Maximum”, set the minimum and maximum values for the fader:

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7. From here, right click the fader, select “Set Up to Remote Control”, and set it up to the W remote as normal:

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Connecting to Symetrix Devices with a PC

This is a general-purpose step-by-step guide for connecting to Symetrix digital signal processors and related hardware with a PC.

Please note that Symetrix only recommends using Windows 10 and above. Other operating systems are not officially supported at this time.

See the bottom of this article for information on unsupported equipment and software.


Step 1 – Install the right software for the device

Symetrix design software is used to connect to Symetrix devices and is available to download, install, and run for free. The required software will depend on the devices that needs to be accessed:

COMPOSER PLATFORM:
Software can be downloaded here under the Composer tab.

  • D100
  • Radius and Radius NX series
  • Prism series
  • Edge
  • Solus NX (note "NX", original Solus are not supported).
  • T-Series touch panels
  • W-Series wall remotes
  • Control Server
  • xControl
  • xIO Bluetooth
  • xIO XLR
  • xIn / xOut 4 and 12
  • xIO 4x4
  • xIO Stage 4x4

Important: To avoid errors when going online with the hardware, please download the version of Composer that matches the DSP’s firmware revision number as closely as possible. This number can be found by cycling through the system pages on the front LCD panel of the DSP.

FIXED ARCHITECTURE PLATFORMS:

Software for Symetrix’s current Integrator Series (closed-architecture) DSPs can be downloaded here under the Jupiter and Zone Mix tabs. These include:

  • Jupiter
  • Zone Mix 761

Step 2 – Make sure the PC is on the right network

Once the correct software has been downloaded, the next step is to connect the PC to the device’s control network. If a DSP is Dante-enabled, make sure not to confuse the Dante port for the "control"/"ethernet" port. Configuration of these devices through the Symetrix software is always done through the control port.

By default, Symetrix devices are programmed to resolve an IP address automatically, either from a DHCP server or link-local (169.254.x.x) if there is no DHCP server found. Any devices with a front display will indicate their IP address on the front LCD panel. Some devices (T-Series and W-Series) may not show this information if they have been programmed. Cycling through the system pages on the front display of a Composer-based DSP will also display the subnet mask. If a device has previously been configured with a static IP address, it can be reset to DHCP by briefly pressing the device’s reset button, which is usually recessed in the housing on the back of the device.

IPCONFIG

Check your PC's network configuration by opening the Windows Command Prompt and entering "ipconfig". The relevant adapter's information will be shown along with any others available.

Important: Ensure that both the IP address scheme and subnet mask of the PC match that of the DSP. If setting the PC to a static IP address, it must be a different/unused IP address on the network. If connected directly to a DSP that has a known static IP address, setting the PC to any available IP address will work. If connected directly to a DSP that does not have a static IP address, the PC does not need to have a static link local IP address.

Step 3 – Locate the Symetrix hardware on the network and Pull

Once the PC is on the correct network, open the appropriate Symetrix software. The next steps will depend on the software being used.

COMPOSER:
Composer platform devices will show their location status via an indicator on the hardware module itself.

LOCATION
  • Devices are located when there is a green check-mark in the location status indicator box.
  • If this is empty, the device is not located.
  • If the check-mark is yellow, the device is located and its outputs may be muted for some reason.
SYSTEMMGR

Go to Hardware > System Manager from a blank/new Composer site file to search the network for available hardware.

In the Hardware or Control Network tab (depending on the version of Composer) find the appropriate DSP, highlight it, and select Go Online (Pull from Unit).

Note: ensure Composer is using the correct NIC to search the network.

MANAGER
PULL1 PULL2

Confirm the file name and save location for the site file - Desktop is a good location, but anywhere that OneDrive or other cloud services don't access is recommended for later permissions and access reasons.

Confirm the prompt that the site file will be pulled from the unit at the given IP address.

In the large majority of cases, synchronizing the site file on pull is the advisable option. This will pull the current running configuration of all volumes, mutes, routing, etc. - what's running live right now.

SYNC
ONLINE1 ONLINE2

On completion, Composer will notify of Online status with both a dialog and the Online status indicator in the left panel.

FIXED ARCHITECTURE PLATFORMS:

Fixed architecture platforms (Jupiter and Zone Mix 761) will use their own software respectively and have a Connection Wizard to complete location and go online.

APP

When initially opening the software and connecting to a device select Existing App File on Device to initiate the Pulling process of location and going online.

Depending on the connection, select either Direct or Indirect.

  • Use Direct if connecting the PC directly cabled to the DSP.
  • Use Indirect if using a switch or small network of switches.
  • Network is the least common choice and is usually meant for larger networks that involve routing/gateway or subnet jumps (unrecommended).
NETWORK1
NETWORK2

Select the appropriate PC NIC for the connection, if there are multiple available. Wifi should never be used to connect to Symetrix DSPs - always cable to the network or the DSP directly.

Once a network is selected, the software may warn that it may not be able to connect. This is fairly common and can be clicked Yes through to continue.

NETWORK3
DEVICE

If the PC/software can see the given DSPs on the network, they will be shown here. Select the appropriate one and click Next.

Finalize the Go Online process and the software will attempt to pull the programming and go live.

GOONLINE
ONLINE2 ONLINE1

Depending on the software, the main GUI will appear and the "Online" indicator will be present.


Troubleshooting

If you have followed the above steps and are having difficulty locating any devices on the network, we have a location troubleshooting guide available here.

If you are able to locate devices, but are receiving warnings from the software about failures to go online:

  • Disable Windows Defender Firewall and any third-party antivirus/firewall programs that may be blocking network traffic.
  • Double check that the device firmware versions for all devices in the site file match the version of Composer being used (the first two numbers are most important).
  • Power cycle both the PC and the device(s).
  • If the device is connected to the PC through a network switch, try connecting directly instead.
  • If a (Composer) device cannot be located and is not currently needed in the site file, right click it and select ‘Disable Unit’, then Push online (this will cut audio for the duration of the Push).
  • If a specific error code is being presented, please contact Technical Support at support@symetrix.co.

 


UNSUPPORTED EQUIPMENT

As of January 2024, Symetrix no longer supports the Designer platform, nor any equipment/software released before the Composer platform. This includes, but is not limited to: 

Designer platform: 

  • 8x8 DSP 
  • BreakIn & BreakOut 12 
  • CobraLink 
  • Control I/O 
  • Express series 
  • Solus series (not NX) 
  • ARC-2, ARC-SW4, ARC-K1, ARC-SWK, ARC-Mic/XLR (Note these units do not have "e" at the end while current ARC remotes do.) 

Legacy platforms: 

  • 200 series 
  • 300 series 
  • 400 series 
  • 500 series 
  • 600 series 
  • Lucid 
  • AirTools 
  • Deuce 
  • AutoMix Matrix
  • Zone Mix 760
  • Zone Mix 780

Please contact Technical Support for an archived copy of the Designer software. Other resources may be found online via search engine, message board, or others. We also have a couple of authorized third-party service centers familiar with our legacy equipment and may be able to provide further assistance. Please reach out to:  

Condor Electronics    
10007 Aurora Ave N    
Seattle WA 98133    
Phone: 206-633-5190    
Email: info@condor-electronics.com  

Advanced Musical Electronics    
8665 Venice Blvd.    
West Los Angeles, CA 90034    
Phone: 310-559-3157    
E-mail: mail@advancedmusical.com  

Any resources, materials, costs, or support for discontinued Symetrix equipment are set solely by these service centers and are not dictated by Symetrix. Symetrix highly recommends upgrading installations with unsupported our outdated equipment to current technology. Please talk to your Regional Sales Manager or Dealer, or locate one through our website per your region here.